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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln school project 3

esarch
Dear Andy (Payne), thank you for your very considered comments, I appreciate
your patient explanation of issues that are not exactly intuitively obvious.

After examining available materials, the first thing that struck me was the
destruction of the "Donaldson Tower". It seems to me that such a casual act
on work that was completed 10 yrs ago, is nothing less than barbarous. This
was paid for by the citizens of Lincoln and has created a point of interest
with its adjoining gabled classroom row, finally a legacy of which we can
take pride, in an otherwise dreary architectural landscape.

Why??

Examining the plans I see no compelling planning logic for it's trashing!

My next observation were the preliminary cad perspectives of, presumably,
the finished product. I realized that these may not totally reflect final
development, but why on earth show something that resembled a strip mall, if
that is not the level at which the future design will follow?

One of the basic problems for the town, is selecting an AE
Constructor-contractor. Having 3 distinct functions under one roof, is
fraught with dangers of conflict of responsibilities and the overriding
incentive of profit motive. Here, the design becomes incidental, to be kept
out of the picture. Thus, criticizing the design, will lead the contractor
to claim that it will add cost, or other excuses, whether true or not. In
this case, the client: the town, will have no leverage to be critical.

We need to be cognizant of the fact that we are building for a future legacy
for our children. Do  we want them to  attend classes in a strip mall? Will
we go about destroying the past, routinely, as we find other more current
solutions, more in step with the current fashions? There needs to be a
better way!

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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln school project 3

Michael
Drip-Drip-Drip

How did LT postings become a suitable substitute for the actual dialogue
that has taken place in the myriad number of public meetings to date? – and
which continue?

The ‘helpful’ insights offered here on LT are extremely subjective in
nature, out-of-step with the design process and the community involvement to
date. They are also ill-informed.

Putting aside questions of subjectivity – your understanding and
characterization of the project team is inaccurate. As with most all current
design/building practice, the Design Team and the Construction Manager are
separate entities with separate contractual obligations to the Owner. Both
entities work together with the Owner’s Rep and the Town to realize a
project that is successful in regards to design, approvals, schedule,
logistics and costs.


-Michael Dembowski




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Re: [LincolnTalk] Lincoln school project 3

Andrew Payne
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Edmund wrote:

After examining available materials, the first thing that struck me was the
destruction of the "Donaldson Tower". It seems to me that such a casual act
on work that was completed 10 yrs ago, is nothing less than barbarous.

The last major work on the school building(s) was in 1994, about 25yrs ago.  I do not believe there is any section 10yrs old, tower or otherwise (someone please correct me!)  

More generally, I think it's extremely hard for town committees (like the School Building Committee) to respond to or incorporate feedback like this that's significantly out of context.  The best suggestion I have is sitting down with a fellow resident that has spent some time with the project, that can share the history.  I'm happy to try and find someone willing to do that.

We need to be cognizant of the fact that we are building for a future legacy
for our children.

I suspect most residents agree.   

But one ongoing debate:  what's the form of the legacy?  Some residents are very focused on the architectural design aspects, and others are concerned about the educational functionality of the building.  Others care about the environmental footprint.  Some care about all three, but in different proportions. 
 
There needs to be a better way!

Aesthetics are subjective.  

I'm sorry to keep repeating that.

One person's "better" could be perceived as absolutely horrible by others.  Like, the worst they've ever seen.  Like, "you went to architecture school for THAT?  Can you get a refund?"  Or, "we're building as school here, not a spread for AD."  "The mid-century called, they want their 'modern' design back."  Or, "that looks like 5 architects met...and compromised!"  "Cool design bro, but where do all the mechanicals fit?"  "Can I send you the maintenance and repair bill in 20yrs?"  "Call me cray-cray, but town hippies will NOT go for the mini nuclear reactor to power that uninsulated renovation down to net zero".   

..etc..

There is no design that some subset of residents will not hate.

Absolutely one person's view,

-andy


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