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[LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

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Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

Claire Mount
who terminated them?    that seems strange

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Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

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This is disturbing news.  

Paula Robinson
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who terminated them?    that seems strange

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Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

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What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

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> Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

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What’s the reason?   The volunteers do a great job!
- Gordon Woodington 

On Wednesday, October 23, 2019, Paula Robinson via Lincoln <[hidden email]> wrote:
This is disturbing news.  

Paula Robinson
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who terminated them?    that seems strange

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Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

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Agreed!

Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 23, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> What has happened?
> This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,
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>> On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:
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>> Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

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Really!????

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On Oct 23, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Laura Crosby <[hidden email]> wrote:

Agreed!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:

What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:

Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

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The Lincoln Squirrel (https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com) is working on a story about this that will be published later tonight.

Alice Waugh

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Really!????

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On Oct 23, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Laura Crosby <[hidden email]> wrote:

Agreed!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:

What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:

Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

Nicholas Ribush
So whose money is going to be paying these people? 

Sounds like a scam, like police details. 



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:19 PM Alice Waugh <[hidden email]> wrote:
The Lincoln Squirrel (https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com) is working on a story about this that will be published later tonight.

Alice Waugh

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Really!????

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On Oct 23, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Laura Crosby <[hidden email]> wrote:

Agreed!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:

What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:

Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Sasha Golden
Anyone have a connection to a reporter at the Globe? This kind of mindless stupidity and high-handedness is just the sort of stuff that they'd be happy to publish.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:16 PM Nicholas Ribush <[hidden email]> wrote:
So whose money is going to be paying these people? 

Sounds like a scam, like police details. 



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:19 PM Alice Waugh <[hidden email]> wrote:
The Lincoln Squirrel (https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com) is working on a story about this that will be published later tonight.

Alice Waugh

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Really!????

Sent from my iPhone
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On Oct 23, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Laura Crosby <[hidden email]> wrote:

Agreed!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:

What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:

Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

Andy Wang
What's the story here?  "Lincoln DPW Wants to Manage the Town Transfer Station"

I fail to see the outrage here without any real information about what the plans are.  It seems like either people have access to other information that is not shared here or in the article or just imagining what may happen as a result and being outraged over that....

I appreciate the efforts of the volunteers and have gotten many great things at the transfer station but can we reserve judgement based on what happens as opposed to what might happen?   The fact that they put a building up implies that there is still interest in the swap table, maybe there's a plan for managing it too.

Just one person's opinion (who is definitely not Andy Payne, or this would have been much better written)

- Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Anyone have a connection to a reporter at the Globe? This kind of mindless stupidity and high-handedness is just the sort of stuff that they'd be happy to publish.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:16 PM Nicholas Ribush <[hidden email]> wrote:
So whose money is going to be paying these people? 

Sounds like a scam, like police details. 



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:19 PM Alice Waugh <[hidden email]> wrote:
The Lincoln Squirrel (https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com) is working on a story about this that will be published later tonight.

Alice Waugh

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Really!????

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Agreed!

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What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

Sent from my iPad

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Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

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In response to Andy Wang's comment, I will most certainly speak to Chris Bibbo at the DPW if he is reachable and will post a follow-up story in the Lincoln Squirrel.

Alice Waugh

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:47 PM Andy Wang <[hidden email]> wrote:
What's the story here?  "Lincoln DPW Wants to Manage the Town Transfer Station"

I fail to see the outrage here without any real information about what the plans are.  It seems like either people have access to other information that is not shared here or in the article or just imagining what may happen as a result and being outraged over that....

I appreciate the efforts of the volunteers and have gotten many great things at the transfer station but can we reserve judgement based on what happens as opposed to what might happen?   The fact that they put a building up implies that there is still interest in the swap table, maybe there's a plan for managing it too.

Just one person's opinion (who is definitely not Andy Payne, or this would have been much better written)

- Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Anyone have a connection to a reporter at the Globe? This kind of mindless stupidity and high-handedness is just the sort of stuff that they'd be happy to publish.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:16 PM Nicholas Ribush <[hidden email]> wrote:
So whose money is going to be paying these people? 

Sounds like a scam, like police details. 



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The Lincoln Squirrel (https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com) is working on a story about this that will be published later tonight.

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On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Really!????

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Agreed!

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What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:

Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

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Well, first, as a matter of basic decency, a one-week termination notice and non-explanation given to folks who have put in a lot of time and effort over the years really doesn't cut it. A little graciousness under the circumstances wouldn't have been THAT difficult, would it?

I also want to hear whether there was any kind of cost-benefit analysis of replacing free or very-low-cost labor with paid employees or what rational reason might exist other than "I want my guys to do this." Surely there are other things around town which DPW needs to tackle that can't delegate to volunteers, no?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:47 PM Andy Wang <[hidden email]> wrote:
What's the story here?  "Lincoln DPW Wants to Manage the Town Transfer Station"

I fail to see the outrage here without any real information about what the plans are.  It seems like either people have access to other information that is not shared here or in the article or just imagining what may happen as a result and being outraged over that....

I appreciate the efforts of the volunteers and have gotten many great things at the transfer station but can we reserve judgement based on what happens as opposed to what might happen?   The fact that they put a building up implies that there is still interest in the swap table, maybe there's a plan for managing it too.

Just one person's opinion (who is definitely not Andy Payne, or this would have been much better written)

- Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Anyone have a connection to a reporter at the Globe? This kind of mindless stupidity and high-handedness is just the sort of stuff that they'd be happy to publish.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:16 PM Nicholas Ribush <[hidden email]> wrote:
So whose money is going to be paying these people? 

Sounds like a scam, like police details. 



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:19 PM Alice Waugh <[hidden email]> wrote:
The Lincoln Squirrel (https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com) is working on a story about this that will be published later tonight.

Alice Waugh

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Really!????

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Agreed!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:

What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:

Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

Andy Wang
I'm not sure what the need for any type of notice is in this case.  This (for the most part) was volunteer work and the shed gets effectively reset every day the transfer station is open.   It's not like someone needs to get their affairs in order to move on.  Don't get me wrong, I think the volunteers did a great job.  But what level of 'graciousness' would be satisfactory?  

Perhaps we needed to pay overtime rates to the DPW workers to stay later after the transfer station closes in order to clean up the remaining materials (or just be there, I have really no idea who does the final dumping) and it would be more efficient to clean up as the day progresses.  Perhaps having volunteers sanctioned by the town and sorting items and moving potentially heavy things opens up the town to additional risk from a liability and insurance standpoint and they prefer to have town workers who are hired and covered do it from a risk management perspective.  I can make up several reasonable sounding reasons for this too, but it's all just making stuff up.  

I'm not saying there IS a good reason for this, I'm just saying we don't know there ISN'T and folks shouldn't be outraged until there is more information...

Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 11:22 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, first, as a matter of basic decency, a one-week termination notice and non-explanation given to folks who have put in a lot of time and effort over the years really doesn't cut it. A little graciousness under the circumstances wouldn't have been THAT difficult, would it?

I also want to hear whether there was any kind of cost-benefit analysis of replacing free or very-low-cost labor with paid employees or what rational reason might exist other than "I want my guys to do this." Surely there are other things around town which DPW needs to tackle that can't delegate to volunteers, no?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:47 PM Andy Wang <[hidden email]> wrote:
What's the story here?  "Lincoln DPW Wants to Manage the Town Transfer Station"

I fail to see the outrage here without any real information about what the plans are.  It seems like either people have access to other information that is not shared here or in the article or just imagining what may happen as a result and being outraged over that....

I appreciate the efforts of the volunteers and have gotten many great things at the transfer station but can we reserve judgement based on what happens as opposed to what might happen?   The fact that they put a building up implies that there is still interest in the swap table, maybe there's a plan for managing it too.

Just one person's opinion (who is definitely not Andy Payne, or this would have been much better written)

- Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Anyone have a connection to a reporter at the Globe? This kind of mindless stupidity and high-handedness is just the sort of stuff that they'd be happy to publish.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:16 PM Nicholas Ribush <[hidden email]> wrote:
So whose money is going to be paying these people? 

Sounds like a scam, like police details. 



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:19 PM Alice Waugh <[hidden email]> wrote:
The Lincoln Squirrel (https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com) is working on a story about this that will be published later tonight.

Alice Waugh

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Really!????

Sent from my iPhone
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On Oct 23, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Laura Crosby <[hidden email]> wrote:

Agreed!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:

What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:

Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

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Is this related to the story(s) of the person who had reportedly turned the swap table into a private resale business and may have had an altercation with others over the practice when challenged?

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 24, 2019, at 5:58 AM, Andy Wang <[hidden email]> wrote:

I'm not sure what the need for any type of notice is in this case.  This (for the most part) was volunteer work and the shed gets effectively reset every day the transfer station is open.   It's not like someone needs to get their affairs in order to move on.  Don't get me wrong, I think the volunteers did a great job.  But what level of 'graciousness' would be satisfactory?  

Perhaps we needed to pay overtime rates to the DPW workers to stay later after the transfer station closes in order to clean up the remaining materials (or just be there, I have really no idea who does the final dumping) and it would be more efficient to clean up as the day progresses.  Perhaps having volunteers sanctioned by the town and sorting items and moving potentially heavy things opens up the town to additional risk from a liability and insurance standpoint and they prefer to have town workers who are hired and covered do it from a risk management perspective.  I can make up several reasonable sounding reasons for this too, but it's all just making stuff up.  

I'm not saying there IS a good reason for this, I'm just saying we don't know there ISN'T and folks shouldn't be outraged until there is more information...

Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 11:22 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, first, as a matter of basic decency, a one-week termination notice and non-explanation given to folks who have put in a lot of time and effort over the years really doesn't cut it. A little graciousness under the circumstances wouldn't have been THAT difficult, would it?

I also want to hear whether there was any kind of cost-benefit analysis of replacing free or very-low-cost labor with paid employees or what rational reason might exist other than "I want my guys to do this." Surely there are other things around town which DPW needs to tackle that can't delegate to volunteers, no?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:47 PM Andy Wang <[hidden email]> wrote:
What's the story here?  "Lincoln DPW Wants to Manage the Town Transfer Station"

I fail to see the outrage here without any real information about what the plans are.  It seems like either people have access to other information that is not shared here or in the article or just imagining what may happen as a result and being outraged over that....

I appreciate the efforts of the volunteers and have gotten many great things at the transfer station but can we reserve judgement based on what happens as opposed to what might happen?   The fact that they put a building up implies that there is still interest in the swap table, maybe there's a plan for managing it too.

Just one person's opinion (who is definitely not Andy Payne, or this would have been much better written)

- Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Anyone have a connection to a reporter at the Globe? This kind of mindless stupidity and high-handedness is just the sort of stuff that they'd be happy to publish.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:16 PM Nicholas Ribush <[hidden email]> wrote:
So whose money is going to be paying these people? 

Sounds like a scam, like police details. 



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:19 PM Alice Waugh <[hidden email]> wrote:
The Lincoln Squirrel (https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com) is working on a story about this that will be published later tonight.

Alice Waugh

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Really!????

Sent from my iPhone
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d. <a href="tel:617.519.5179" dir="ltr" rel="noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">617.519.5179

 

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On Oct 23, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Laura Crosby <[hidden email]> wrote:

Agreed!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:

What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:

Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

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I hope this comes up at the State of the Town Meeting.  Clearly recycling needs to be adopted and emphasized as a goal of this town, as it has been for many years.  So what if a few make a few bucks on this "trash" (American Enterprise?  Capitalism in action?) as long as others in the town also benefit personally - and many many do including me? There's certainly enough trash to go around I think.  I so appreciate all the work the volunteers there did.  It seems to me I see DPW workers in that small shed watching tv instead of helping people to unload stuff?  

And I don't remember reading, or hearing, about the "NEW shed," parking spaces, etc. before I saw the construction going on?  IMHO DPW has much more important work to tend to in the town?  But it's so much easier to just build....  I was surprised Mr. Bibbo couldn't comment/explain for the Squirrel?   

Sasha Golden - you said it better than I could and I couldn't agree more.  

Andy Wang: I was outraged also. First the volunteers at the dump, next it will be the library volunteers who "recycle" thousands of books all year and provide the best for the residents to "re-buy" to support the library (and they will need much more $support as the new school is being built. Will the book sale volunteers also be "fired"?  Volunteers provide valuable services, for free.  I would be sad to see people having to bring their books to the trash compactor at the dump or all the way to Waltham to More than Words.  

As I've said I hope this is brought up at the SOTT 

Jean Palmer


-----Original Message-----
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To: Sasha Golden <[hidden email]>
Cc: Lincoln Talk <[hidden email]>; margaret flint <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2019 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

I'm not sure what the need for any type of notice is in this case.  This (for the most part) was volunteer work and the shed gets effectively reset every day the transfer station is open.   It's not like someone needs to get their affairs in order to move on.  Don't get me wrong, I think the volunteers did a great job.  But what level of 'graciousness' would be satisfactory?  

Perhaps we needed to pay overtime rates to the DPW workers to stay later after the transfer station closes in order to clean up the remaining materials (or just be there, I have really no idea who does the final dumping) and it would be more efficient to clean up as the day progresses.  Perhaps having volunteers sanctioned by the town and sorting items and moving potentially heavy things opens up the town to additional risk from a liability and insurance standpoint and they prefer to have town workers who are hired and covered do it from a risk management perspective.  I can make up several reasonable sounding reasons for this too, but it's all just making stuff up.  

I'm not saying there IS a good reason for this, I'm just saying we don't know there ISN'T and folks shouldn't be outraged until there is more information...

Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 11:22 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, first, as a matter of basic decency, a one-week termination notice and non-explanation given to folks who have put in a lot of time and effort over the years really doesn't cut it. A little graciousness under the circumstances wouldn't have been THAT difficult, would it?

I also want to hear whether there was any kind of cost-benefit analysis of replacing free or very-low-cost labor with paid employees or what rational reason might exist other than "I want my guys to do this." Surely there are other things around town which DPW needs to tackle that can't delegate to volunteers, no?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:47 PM Andy Wang <[hidden email]> wrote:
What's the story here?  "Lincoln DPW Wants to Manage the Town Transfer Station"

I fail to see the outrage here without any real information about what the plans are.  It seems like either people have access to other information that is not shared here or in the article or just imagining what may happen as a result and being outraged over that....

I appreciate the efforts of the volunteers and have gotten many great things at the transfer station but can we reserve judgement based on what happens as opposed to what might happen?   The fact that they put a building up implies that there is still interest in the swap table, maybe there's a plan for managing it too.

Just one person's opinion (who is definitely not Andy Payne, or this would have been much better written)

- Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Anyone have a connection to a reporter at the Globe? This kind of mindless stupidity and high-handedness is just the sort of stuff that they'd be happy to publish.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:16 PM Nicholas Ribush <[hidden email]> wrote:
So whose money is going to be paying these people? 

Sounds like a scam, like police details. 



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:19 PM Alice Waugh <[hidden email]> wrote:
The Lincoln Squirrel (https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com) is working on a story about this that will be published later tonight.

Alice Waugh

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Really!????

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On Oct 23, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Laura Crosby <[hidden email]> wrote:

Agreed!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:

What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:

Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

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firing VOLUNTEERS from helping out at the swap shed?
something is definitely missing from this story.

I have never seen 
any of the DPW workers assigned to the transfer station
sweep up broken glass when something is dropped,
sort through boxes of junk that residents plop down on the table,
clear off the table when it is full 
so that more things can continue to be brought in,
or display items so that they get taken 
instead of going to the incinerator.

that's what those hard-working volunteers do
every Wednesday and Saturday.

I do see the DPW guys sit most of the day in their shack,
and get up occasionally to push the start buttons on the dumpsters.

those swap shed volunteers work hard 
and they stay the whole day
to help get items recycled.
would you sit in the swap shed 8 house a day twice a week
in rain and wind,
cold and heat 
just to facilitate lincoln's recycling goals?

I suggest that those of us who are upset about this
cal chris bibbo at the DPW today and find out.
259-8999

I plan to go by in person today.

Katherine Mierzwa

On Thursday, October 24, 2019, 6:58:19 AM EDT, jean palmer via Lincoln <[hidden email]> wrote:


I hope this comes up at the State of the Town Meeting.  Clearly recycling needs to be adopted and emphasized as a goal of this town, as it has been for many years.  So what if a few make a few bucks on this "trash" (American Enterprise?  Capitalism in action?) as long as others in the town also benefit personally - and many many do including me? There's certainly enough trash to go around I think.  I so appreciate all the work the volunteers there did.  It seems to me I see DPW workers in that small shed watching tv instead of helping people to unload stuff?  

And I don't remember reading, or hearing, about the "NEW shed," parking spaces, etc. before I saw the construction going on?  IMHO DPW has much more important work to tend to in the town?  But it's so much easier to just build....  I was surprised Mr. Bibbo couldn't comment/explain for the Squirrel?   

Sasha Golden - you said it better than I could and I couldn't agree more.  

Andy Wang: I was outraged also. First the volunteers at the dump, next it will be the library volunteers who "recycle" thousands of books all year and provide the best for the residents to "re-buy" to support the library (and they will need much more $support as the new school is being built. Will the book sale volunteers also be "fired"?  Volunteers provide valuable services, for free.  I would be sad to see people having to bring their books to the trash compactor at the dump or all the way to Waltham to More than Words.  

As I've said I hope this is brought up at the SOTT 

Jean Palmer


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Wang <[hidden email]>
To: Sasha Golden <[hidden email]>
Cc: Lincoln Talk <[hidden email]>; margaret flint <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2019 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

I'm not sure what the need for any type of notice is in this case.  This (for the most part) was volunteer work and the shed gets effectively reset every day the transfer station is open.   It's not like someone needs to get their affairs in order to move on.  Don't get me wrong, I think the volunteers did a great job.  But what level of 'graciousness' would be satisfactory?  

Perhaps we needed to pay overtime rates to the DPW workers to stay later after the transfer station closes in order to clean up the remaining materials (or just be there, I have really no idea who does the final dumping) and it would be more efficient to clean up as the day progresses.  Perhaps having volunteers sanctioned by the town and sorting items and moving potentially heavy things opens up the town to additional risk from a liability and insurance standpoint and they prefer to have town workers who are hired and covered do it from a risk management perspective.  I can make up several reasonable sounding reasons for this too, but it's all just making stuff up.  

I'm not saying there IS a good reason for this, I'm just saying we don't know there ISN'T and folks shouldn't be outraged until there is more information...

Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 11:22 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, first, as a matter of basic decency, a one-week termination notice and non-explanation given to folks who have put in a lot of time and effort over the years really doesn't cut it. A little graciousness under the circumstances wouldn't have been THAT difficult, would it?

I also want to hear whether there was any kind of cost-benefit analysis of replacing free or very-low-cost labor with paid employees or what rational reason might exist other than "I want my guys to do this." Surely there are other things around town which DPW needs to tackle that can't delegate to volunteers, no?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:47 PM Andy Wang <[hidden email]> wrote:
What's the story here?  "Lincoln DPW Wants to Manage the Town Transfer Station"

I fail to see the outrage here without any real information about what the plans are.  It seems like either people have access to other information that is not shared here or in the article or just imagining what may happen as a result and being outraged over that....

I appreciate the efforts of the volunteers and have gotten many great things at the transfer station but can we reserve judgement based on what happens as opposed to what might happen?   The fact that they put a building up implies that there is still interest in the swap table, maybe there's a plan for managing it too.

Just one person's opinion (who is definitely not Andy Payne, or this would have been much better written)

- Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Anyone have a connection to a reporter at the Globe? This kind of mindless stupidity and high-handedness is just the sort of stuff that they'd be happy to publish.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:16 PM Nicholas Ribush <[hidden email]> wrote:
So whose money is going to be paying these people? 

Sounds like a scam, like police details. 



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:19 PM Alice Waugh <[hidden email]> wrote:
The Lincoln Squirrel (https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com) is working on a story about this that will be published later tonight.

Alice Waugh

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Really!????

Sent from my iPhone
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On Oct 23, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Laura Crosby <[hidden email]> wrote:

Agreed!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:

What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:

Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

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Bravo!

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On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:28 PM, K Mierz via Lincoln <[hidden email]> wrote:



firing VOLUNTEERS from helping out at the swap shed?
something is definitely missing from this story.

I have never seen 
any of the DPW workers assigned to the transfer station
sweep up broken glass when something is dropped,
sort through boxes of junk that residents plop down on the table,
clear off the table when it is full 
so that more things can continue to be brought in,
or display items so that they get taken 
instead of going to the incinerator.

that's what those hard-working volunteers do
every Wednesday and Saturday.

I do see the DPW guys sit most of the day in their shack,
and get up occasionally to push the start buttons on the dumpsters.

those swap shed volunteers work hard 
and they stay the whole day
to help get items recycled.
would you sit in the swap shed 8 house a day twice a week
in rain and wind,
cold and heat 
just to facilitate lincoln's recycling goals?

I suggest that those of us who are upset about this
cal chris bibbo at the DPW today and find out.
259-8999

I plan to go by in person today.

Katherine Mierzwa

On Thursday, October 24, 2019, 6:58:19 AM EDT, jean palmer via Lincoln <[hidden email]> wrote:


I hope this comes up at the State of the Town Meeting.  Clearly recycling needs to be adopted and emphasized as a goal of this town, as it has been for many years.  So what if a few make a few bucks on this "trash" (American Enterprise?  Capitalism in action?) as long as others in the town also benefit personally - and many many do including me? There's certainly enough trash to go around I think.  I so appreciate all the work the volunteers there did.  It seems to me I see DPW workers in that small shed watching tv instead of helping people to unload stuff?  

And I don't remember reading, or hearing, about the "NEW shed," parking spaces, etc. before I saw the construction going on?  IMHO DPW has much more important work to tend to in the town?  But it's so much easier to just build....  I was surprised Mr. Bibbo couldn't comment/explain for the Squirrel?   

Sasha Golden - you said it better than I could and I couldn't agree more.  

Andy Wang: I was outraged also. First the volunteers at the dump, next it will be the library volunteers who "recycle" thousands of books all year and provide the best for the residents to "re-buy" to support the library (and they will need much more $support as the new school is being built. Will the book sale volunteers also be "fired"?  Volunteers provide valuable services, for free.  I would be sad to see people having to bring their books to the trash compactor at the dump or all the way to Waltham to More than Words.  

As I've said I hope this is brought up at the SOTT 

Jean Palmer


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Wang <[hidden email]>
To: Sasha Golden <[hidden email]>
Cc: Lincoln Talk <[hidden email]>; margaret flint <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2019 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

I'm not sure what the need for any type of notice is in this case.  This (for the most part) was volunteer work and the shed gets effectively reset every day the transfer station is open.   It's not like someone needs to get their affairs in order to move on.  Don't get me wrong, I think the volunteers did a great job.  But what level of 'graciousness' would be satisfactory?  

Perhaps we needed to pay overtime rates to the DPW workers to stay later after the transfer station closes in order to clean up the remaining materials (or just be there, I have really no idea who does the final dumping) and it would be more efficient to clean up as the day progresses.  Perhaps having volunteers sanctioned by the town and sorting items and moving potentially heavy things opens up the town to additional risk from a liability and insurance standpoint and they prefer to have town workers who are hired and covered do it from a risk management perspective.  I can make up several reasonable sounding reasons for this too, but it's all just making stuff up.  

I'm not saying there IS a good reason for this, I'm just saying we don't know there ISN'T and folks shouldn't be outraged until there is more information...

Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 11:22 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, first, as a matter of basic decency, a one-week termination notice and non-explanation given to folks who have put in a lot of time and effort over the years really doesn't cut it. A little graciousness under the circumstances wouldn't have been THAT difficult, would it?

I also want to hear whether there was any kind of cost-benefit analysis of replacing free or very-low-cost labor with paid employees or what rational reason might exist other than "I want my guys to do this." Surely there are other things around town which DPW needs to tackle that can't delegate to volunteers, no?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:47 PM Andy Wang <[hidden email]> wrote:
What's the story here?  "Lincoln DPW Wants to Manage the Town Transfer Station"

I fail to see the outrage here without any real information about what the plans are.  It seems like either people have access to other information that is not shared here or in the article or just imagining what may happen as a result and being outraged over that....

I appreciate the efforts of the volunteers and have gotten many great things at the transfer station but can we reserve judgement based on what happens as opposed to what might happen?   The fact that they put a building up implies that there is still interest in the swap table, maybe there's a plan for managing it too.

Just one person's opinion (who is definitely not Andy Payne, or this would have been much better written)

- Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Anyone have a connection to a reporter at the Globe? This kind of mindless stupidity and high-handedness is just the sort of stuff that they'd be happy to publish.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:16 PM Nicholas Ribush <[hidden email]> wrote:
So whose money is going to be paying these people? 

Sounds like a scam, like police details. 



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:19 PM Alice Waugh <[hidden email]> wrote:
The Lincoln Squirrel (https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com) is working on a story about this that will be published later tonight.

Alice Waugh

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Really!????

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Agreed!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:

What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:

Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

Richard Panetta
Katherine,

 Perhaps that was because the volunteers were there? Maybe they saw the workers sitting around and felt they should do that work. So getting rid of the volunteers will force the guys to perform those duties. Just another thought. Not saying it is the right one though. 

Not a good time to get rid of these people either, as stated some of these people volunteer to get a reduction in taxes. So now we are increasing their bill with an expensive school and now taking their way to help pay off said bill. 

- Rich 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 7:41 AM Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Bravo!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:28 PM, K Mierz via Lincoln <[hidden email]> wrote:



firing VOLUNTEERS from helping out at the swap shed?
something is definitely missing from this story.

I have never seen 
any of the DPW workers assigned to the transfer station
sweep up broken glass when something is dropped,
sort through boxes of junk that residents plop down on the table,
clear off the table when it is full 
so that more things can continue to be brought in,
or display items so that they get taken 
instead of going to the incinerator.

that's what those hard-working volunteers do
every Wednesday and Saturday.

I do see the DPW guys sit most of the day in their shack,
and get up occasionally to push the start buttons on the dumpsters.

those swap shed volunteers work hard 
and they stay the whole day
to help get items recycled.
would you sit in the swap shed 8 house a day twice a week
in rain and wind,
cold and heat 
just to facilitate lincoln's recycling goals?

I suggest that those of us who are upset about this
cal chris bibbo at the DPW today and find out.
259-8999

I plan to go by in person today.

Katherine Mierzwa

On Thursday, October 24, 2019, 6:58:19 AM EDT, jean palmer via Lincoln <[hidden email]> wrote:


I hope this comes up at the State of the Town Meeting.  Clearly recycling needs to be adopted and emphasized as a goal of this town, as it has been for many years.  So what if a few make a few bucks on this "trash" (American Enterprise?  Capitalism in action?) as long as others in the town also benefit personally - and many many do including me? There's certainly enough trash to go around I think.  I so appreciate all the work the volunteers there did.  It seems to me I see DPW workers in that small shed watching tv instead of helping people to unload stuff?  

And I don't remember reading, or hearing, about the "NEW shed," parking spaces, etc. before I saw the construction going on?  IMHO DPW has much more important work to tend to in the town?  But it's so much easier to just build....  I was surprised Mr. Bibbo couldn't comment/explain for the Squirrel?   

Sasha Golden - you said it better than I could and I couldn't agree more.  

Andy Wang: I was outraged also. First the volunteers at the dump, next it will be the library volunteers who "recycle" thousands of books all year and provide the best for the residents to "re-buy" to support the library (and they will need much more $support as the new school is being built. Will the book sale volunteers also be "fired"?  Volunteers provide valuable services, for free.  I would be sad to see people having to bring their books to the trash compactor at the dump or all the way to Waltham to More than Words.  

As I've said I hope this is brought up at the SOTT 

Jean Palmer


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Cc: Lincoln Talk <[hidden email]>; margaret flint <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2019 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

I'm not sure what the need for any type of notice is in this case.  This (for the most part) was volunteer work and the shed gets effectively reset every day the transfer station is open.   It's not like someone needs to get their affairs in order to move on.  Don't get me wrong, I think the volunteers did a great job.  But what level of 'graciousness' would be satisfactory?  

Perhaps we needed to pay overtime rates to the DPW workers to stay later after the transfer station closes in order to clean up the remaining materials (or just be there, I have really no idea who does the final dumping) and it would be more efficient to clean up as the day progresses.  Perhaps having volunteers sanctioned by the town and sorting items and moving potentially heavy things opens up the town to additional risk from a liability and insurance standpoint and they prefer to have town workers who are hired and covered do it from a risk management perspective.  I can make up several reasonable sounding reasons for this too, but it's all just making stuff up.  

I'm not saying there IS a good reason for this, I'm just saying we don't know there ISN'T and folks shouldn't be outraged until there is more information...

Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 11:22 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, first, as a matter of basic decency, a one-week termination notice and non-explanation given to folks who have put in a lot of time and effort over the years really doesn't cut it. A little graciousness under the circumstances wouldn't have been THAT difficult, would it?

I also want to hear whether there was any kind of cost-benefit analysis of replacing free or very-low-cost labor with paid employees or what rational reason might exist other than "I want my guys to do this." Surely there are other things around town which DPW needs to tackle that can't delegate to volunteers, no?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:47 PM Andy Wang <[hidden email]> wrote:
What's the story here?  "Lincoln DPW Wants to Manage the Town Transfer Station"

I fail to see the outrage here without any real information about what the plans are.  It seems like either people have access to other information that is not shared here or in the article or just imagining what may happen as a result and being outraged over that....

I appreciate the efforts of the volunteers and have gotten many great things at the transfer station but can we reserve judgement based on what happens as opposed to what might happen?   The fact that they put a building up implies that there is still interest in the swap table, maybe there's a plan for managing it too.

Just one person's opinion (who is definitely not Andy Payne, or this would have been much better written)

- Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Anyone have a connection to a reporter at the Globe? This kind of mindless stupidity and high-handedness is just the sort of stuff that they'd be happy to publish.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:16 PM Nicholas Ribush <[hidden email]> wrote:
So whose money is going to be paying these people? 

Sounds like a scam, like police details. 



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:19 PM Alice Waugh <[hidden email]> wrote:
The Lincoln Squirrel (https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com) is working on a story about this that will be published later tonight.

Alice Waugh

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Really!????

Sent from my iPhone
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On Oct 23, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Laura Crosby <[hidden email]> wrote:

Agreed!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:

What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

Sent from my iPad

On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:

Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

Anne Warner
All - I don’t feel outraged at this point because not only do I respect volunteers but I also respect our town workers. Someone at the Town made a decision here that they believed was in the best interest of all of us based on a set of facts. Until we understand what those facts are, we should not judge. There may be - and very likely are - issues that we do not appreciate. 


- Sent from iPhone. Typed by thumb. Excuse misspellings! 

On Oct 24, 2019, at 7:53 AM, Richard Panetta <[hidden email]> wrote:

Katherine,

 Perhaps that was because the volunteers were there? Maybe they saw the workers sitting around and felt they should do that work. So getting rid of the volunteers will force the guys to perform those duties. Just another thought. Not saying it is the right one though. 

Not a good time to get rid of these people either, as stated some of these people volunteer to get a reduction in taxes. So now we are increasing their bill with an expensive school and now taking their way to help pay off said bill. 

- Rich 

On Thu, Oct 24, 2019 at 7:41 AM Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:
Bravo!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 24, 2019, at 1:28 PM, K Mierz via Lincoln <[hidden email]> wrote:



firing VOLUNTEERS from helping out at the swap shed?
something is definitely missing from this story.

I have never seen 
any of the DPW workers assigned to the transfer station
sweep up broken glass when something is dropped,
sort through boxes of junk that residents plop down on the table,
clear off the table when it is full 
so that more things can continue to be brought in,
or display items so that they get taken 
instead of going to the incinerator.

that's what those hard-working volunteers do
every Wednesday and Saturday.

I do see the DPW guys sit most of the day in their shack,
and get up occasionally to push the start buttons on the dumpsters.

those swap shed volunteers work hard 
and they stay the whole day
to help get items recycled.
would you sit in the swap shed 8 house a day twice a week
in rain and wind,
cold and heat 
just to facilitate lincoln's recycling goals?

I suggest that those of us who are upset about this
cal chris bibbo at the DPW today and find out.
259-8999

I plan to go by in person today.

Katherine Mierzwa

On Thursday, October 24, 2019, 6:58:19 AM EDT, jean palmer via Lincoln <[hidden email]> wrote:


I hope this comes up at the State of the Town Meeting.  Clearly recycling needs to be adopted and emphasized as a goal of this town, as it has been for many years.  So what if a few make a few bucks on this "trash" (American Enterprise?  Capitalism in action?) as long as others in the town also benefit personally - and many many do including me? There's certainly enough trash to go around I think.  I so appreciate all the work the volunteers there did.  It seems to me I see DPW workers in that small shed watching tv instead of helping people to unload stuff?  

And I don't remember reading, or hearing, about the "NEW shed," parking spaces, etc. before I saw the construction going on?  IMHO DPW has much more important work to tend to in the town?  But it's so much easier to just build....  I was surprised Mr. Bibbo couldn't comment/explain for the Squirrel?   

Sasha Golden - you said it better than I could and I couldn't agree more.  

Andy Wang: I was outraged also. First the volunteers at the dump, next it will be the library volunteers who "recycle" thousands of books all year and provide the best for the residents to "re-buy" to support the library (and they will need much more $support as the new school is being built. Will the book sale volunteers also be "fired"?  Volunteers provide valuable services, for free.  I would be sad to see people having to bring their books to the trash compactor at the dump or all the way to Waltham to More than Words.  

As I've said I hope this is brought up at the SOTT 

Jean Palmer


-----Original Message-----
From: Andy Wang <[hidden email]>
To: Sasha Golden <[hidden email]>
Cc: Lincoln Talk <[hidden email]>; margaret flint <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wed, Oct 23, 2019 11:58 pm
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] What's going on at the dump?

I'm not sure what the need for any type of notice is in this case.  This (for the most part) was volunteer work and the shed gets effectively reset every day the transfer station is open.   It's not like someone needs to get their affairs in order to move on.  Don't get me wrong, I think the volunteers did a great job.  But what level of 'graciousness' would be satisfactory?  

Perhaps we needed to pay overtime rates to the DPW workers to stay later after the transfer station closes in order to clean up the remaining materials (or just be there, I have really no idea who does the final dumping) and it would be more efficient to clean up as the day progresses.  Perhaps having volunteers sanctioned by the town and sorting items and moving potentially heavy things opens up the town to additional risk from a liability and insurance standpoint and they prefer to have town workers who are hired and covered do it from a risk management perspective.  I can make up several reasonable sounding reasons for this too, but it's all just making stuff up.  

I'm not saying there IS a good reason for this, I'm just saying we don't know there ISN'T and folks shouldn't be outraged until there is more information...

Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 11:22 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Well, first, as a matter of basic decency, a one-week termination notice and non-explanation given to folks who have put in a lot of time and effort over the years really doesn't cut it. A little graciousness under the circumstances wouldn't have been THAT difficult, would it?

I also want to hear whether there was any kind of cost-benefit analysis of replacing free or very-low-cost labor with paid employees or what rational reason might exist other than "I want my guys to do this." Surely there are other things around town which DPW needs to tackle that can't delegate to volunteers, no?

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:47 PM Andy Wang <[hidden email]> wrote:
What's the story here?  "Lincoln DPW Wants to Manage the Town Transfer Station"

I fail to see the outrage here without any real information about what the plans are.  It seems like either people have access to other information that is not shared here or in the article or just imagining what may happen as a result and being outraged over that....

I appreciate the efforts of the volunteers and have gotten many great things at the transfer station but can we reserve judgement based on what happens as opposed to what might happen?   The fact that they put a building up implies that there is still interest in the swap table, maybe there's a plan for managing it too.

Just one person's opinion (who is definitely not Andy Payne, or this would have been much better written)

- Andy



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019, 10:27 PM Sasha Golden <[hidden email]> wrote:
Anyone have a connection to a reporter at the Globe? This kind of mindless stupidity and high-handedness is just the sort of stuff that they'd be happy to publish.

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 10:16 PM Nicholas Ribush <[hidden email]> wrote:
So whose money is going to be paying these people? 

Sounds like a scam, like police details. 



On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:19 PM Alice Waugh <[hidden email]> wrote:
The Lincoln Squirrel (https://www.lincolnsquirrel.com) is working on a story about this that will be published later tonight.

Alice Waugh

On Wed, Oct 23, 2019 at 7:11 PM <[hidden email]> wrote:
Really!????

Sent from my iPhone
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Residential Real Estate Specialist

d. 617.519.5179

 

Barrett | Sotheby's International Realty

terry-perlmutter.com

app.sir.com/SIRTerryPerlmutter


 

I welcome your referrals.

 

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On Oct 23, 2019, at 7:05 PM, Laura Crosby <[hidden email]> wrote:

Agreed!

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2019, at 6:15 PM, Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:

What has happened?
This deserves a VERY good explanation-in full, and in public,

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On Oct 23, 2019, at 8:01 PM, margaret flint <[hidden email]> wrote:

Our tireless volunteers at the swap table have been terminated as of the end of October, told their services are no longer needed.  Repeat, volunteers.  Who will sort the wheat from the chaff?  And if it’s the DPW, will that require one more paid employee?  We’ve just installed a nifty composting service to lower the weight of trash, and I fear we’re going to more than make up for that savings by indiscriminately throwing out things that might be reused by the many patrons of the swap table.  Answers, please!
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