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Claire Mount
years ago I objected to ANY signs,  BECAUSE I almost hit someone ( please don/t say I was going too fast or following  too close - I wasn't)  when the person in front of me slammed on his brakes to read the signs.   I can be a hazard.



 

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I personally loved the sign at the 5 way intersection.  I love all the new signs up in town.  Whatever the reason the sign was removed let’s add more.  Take inspiration from a wise Lincoln youth, put a sign up in your own yard.  I will be painting a sign to put up in our yard, I hope others will do the same.  

Keep learning,

-Heather

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Brava!

Let’s all have signs!! 


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On Sunday, June 28, 2020, 8:19 PM, Heather Ring via Lincoln <[hidden email]> wrote:

I personally loved the sign at the 5 way intersection.  I love all the new signs up in town.  Whatever the reason the sign was removed let’s add more.  Take inspiration from a wise Lincoln youth, put a sign up in your own yard.  I will be painting a sign to put up in our yard, I hope others will do the same. 

Keep learning,

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DeAnna Mori
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Dear Lincoln,

Thank you for all the kind words and support many of you have expressed. Just to clarify, my sign was not a political statement, rather it was a relevant quote from one of America’s greatest scholars that can help us understand and have compassion for one another.

I have heard a few people showing interest in sharing more positive signs around town. I love the idea for anyone to display a sign of their own. If you would like assistance in creating a sign, I am organizing a group who would be happy to hand paint a sign for you, for a donation supporting your favorite organization that works to uplift Black voices and communities. If you are interested, please contact me at [hidden email].

Also, a special thanks to Nick Hagenian for the generous donation to help us kick start this project!
 
Thanks!

Marielle


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Brava!

Let’s all have signs!! 


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On Sunday, June 28, 2020, 8:19 PM, Heather Ring via Lincoln <[hidden email]> wrote:

I personally loved the sign at the 5 way intersection.  I love all the new signs up in town.  Whatever the reason the sign was removed let’s add more.  Take inspiration from a wise Lincoln youth, put a sign up in your own yard.  I will be painting a sign to put up in our yard, I hope others will do the same. 

Keep learning,

-Heather

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Re: [LincolnTalk] THE sign.

Bernadette and Mark
Personally, I get most of my information regarding events in town from the signs posted around town.  With that said, I am an artist (and to support myself out of college worked for many years in Civil Engineering as a drafter/CAD Tech which taught me a thing or two about being practical). 
As an artist the majority of the signs that are put up around town folks put WAYYYYYY tooo much information on these signs.  They should be kept simple with only the important information on it; enough to grab an individual's interest to look into the event/cause!
From my experience with dealing with civil engineers...."Safety First" when it came to designing rides, etc.  There should be thought or guidelines on where these signs are placed at intersections so that they are not blocking site distance, on coming traffic, etc.  Hence, the other safety issue...as Claire mentioned is when a driver does a sudden stop to read a sign all the more reason for keeping it simple aka, in the engineering field KISS.
I am off my soapbox.....oops, one more issue when the event is done, please if you had time to put the sign up....you have the time to take the bad boy down.  UGH!
Bernadette

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Dear Lincoln,

Thank you for all the kind words and support many of you have expressed. Just to clarify, my sign was not a political statement, rather it was a relevant quote from one of America’s greatest scholars that can help us understand and have compassion for one another.

I have heard a few people showing interest in sharing more positive signs around town. I love the idea for anyone to display a sign of their own. If you would like assistance in creating a sign, I am organizing a group who would be happy to hand paint a sign for you, for a donation supporting your favorite organization that works to uplift Black voices and communities. If you are interested, please contact me at [hidden email].

Also, a special thanks to Nick Hagenian for the generous donation to help us kick start this project!
 
Thanks!

Marielle


From: Lincoln <[hidden email]> on behalf of Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 8:25:26 PM
To: Heather Ring <[hidden email]>; Sarah Cannon Holden <[hidden email]>
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Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] THE sign.
 
Brava!

Let’s all have signs!! 


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On Sunday, June 28, 2020, 8:19 PM, Heather Ring via Lincoln <[hidden email]> wrote:

I personally loved the sign at the 5 way intersection.  I love all the new signs up in town.  Whatever the reason the sign was removed let’s add more.  Take inspiration from a wise Lincoln youth, put a sign up in your own yard.  I will be painting a sign to put up in our yard, I hope others will do the same. 

Keep learning,

-Heather

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Re: [LincolnTalk] THE sign.

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Bernadette
In response-there are explicit rules (not simply guidelines) and policies about the type and allowed location of signs on town property…and that includes roadways.
These were developed years ago and adopted by the Board of Selectmen to address the growing # of signs not located near a driveway (the Bruma Shave effect) and the clutter at the 5 corner that was causing sightline issues.
So, signs were allowed in a number of locations -5 corner/Historic Center, Peace Park, Morningside Park, the intersection of Lincoln Rd and 117, and the intersection of Codman Rd and 126, and the entrance to the schools.
Signs at these locations and those adjacent to citizens drives were to go up no sooner than 2 weeks before an event and were to come down within days after the event was over.
The signs were to be limited to Lincoln events (either municipal or org.-not sales), not ads for anything outside of Lincoln.
Political signs were to be limited to private property-next to driveways.

The 5 corner was of  particular safety concern as the large # of signs routinely caused problems for drivers.
So, after studying where signs could be, without obstructing driver’s sight lines, a low iron link “fence” was installed, with all signs to go behind that marker.
Some clever soul objected and stole the “fence.”
So, we laid stone markers in the ground to create the line.

Enforcement was to reside with the Town Administrator.
Sometimes, the DPW was enlisted to remove signs.
For years, this worked pretty well.

But, people need to be reminded there is an actual policy about all this.
When the policy was created, it was discussed at BoS meetings and citizens weighed in.
The policy adopted reflected all that discussion and input.
Apparently, over the years, this has been forgotten.

Perhaps, it is time to revisit and discuss…again.

Best,
Sara




On Jun 30, 2020, at 1:59 PM, Bernadette and Mark <[hidden email]> wrote:

Personally, I get most of my information regarding events in town from the signs posted around town.  With that said, I am an artist (and to support myself out of college worked for many years in Civil Engineering as a drafter/CAD Tech which taught me a thing or two about being practical). 
As an artist the majority of the signs that are put up around town folks put WAYYYYYY tooo much information on these signs.  They should be kept simple with only the important information on it; enough to grab an individual's interest to look into the event/cause!
From my experience with dealing with civil engineers...."Safety First" when it came to designing rides, etc.  There should be thought or guidelines on where these signs are placed at intersections so that they are not blocking site distance, on coming traffic, etc.  Hence, the other safety issue...as Claire mentioned is when a driver does a sudden stop to read a sign all the more reason for keeping it simple aka, in the engineering field KISS.
I am off my soapbox.....oops, one more issue when the event is done, please if you had time to put the sign up....you have the time to take the bad boy down.  UGH!
Bernadette

On Sun, Jun 28, 2020 at 10:27 PM DeAnna Mori <[hidden email]> wrote:
Posting for my daughter:

Dear Lincoln,

Thank you for all the kind words and support many of you have expressed. Just to clarify, my sign was not a political statement, rather it was a relevant quote from one of America’s greatest scholars that can help us understand and have compassion for one another.

I have heard a few people showing interest in sharing more positive signs around town. I love the idea for anyone to display a sign of their own. If you would like assistance in creating a sign, I am organizing a group who would be happy to hand paint a sign for you, for a donation supporting your favorite organization that works to uplift Black voices and communities. If you are interested, please contact me at [hidden email].

Also, a special thanks to Nick Hagenian for the generous donation to help us kick start this project!
 
Thanks!

Marielle


From: Lincoln <[hidden email]> on behalf of Joanna Owen Schmergel via Lincoln <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, June 28, 2020 8:25:26 PM
To: Heather Ring <[hidden email]>; Sarah Cannon Holden <[hidden email]>
Cc: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [LincolnTalk] THE sign.
 
Brava!

Let’s all have signs!! 


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On Sunday, June 28, 2020, 8:19 PM, Heather Ring via Lincoln <[hidden email]> wrote:

I personally loved the sign at the 5 way intersection.  I love all the new signs up in town.  Whatever the reason the sign was removed let’s add more.  Take inspiration from a wise Lincoln youth, put a sign up in your own yard.  I will be painting a sign to put up in our yard, I hope others will do the same. 

Keep learning,

-Heather

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Re: [LincolnTalk] THE sign.

Allen Vander Meulen III
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You’re absolutely right, Bernadette!

In all three “allowed” locations for signs here in town, there is little opportunity for cars to stop and read them - and drivers are generally fairly far away from the signs as they pass by anyway.  So: extreme brevity, very large lettering or graphics announcing the event (or whatever), and an easy-to-determine/find/remember way of learning more about it, are requirements if such signs are to be as effective as possible.

As for the missing “Voice of the Unheard” sign, I thought it was a great sign with an important message - and hope it is found and returned.

- Allen Vander Meulen

> On Jun 30, 2020, at 13:59, Bernadette and Mark <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> Personally, I get most of my information regarding events in town from the signs posted around town.  With that said, I am an artist (and to support myself out of college worked for many years in Civil Engineering as a drafter/CAD Tech which taught me a thing or two about being practical).  
> As an artist the majority of the signs that are put up around town folks put WAYYYYYY tooo much information on these signs.  They should be kept simple with only the important information on it; enough to grab an individual's interest to look into the event/cause!
> From my experience with dealing with civil engineers...."Safety First" when it came to designing rides, etc.  There should be thought or guidelines on where these signs are placed at intersections so that they are not blocking site distance, on coming traffic, etc.  Hence, the other safety issue...as Claire mentioned is when a driver does a sudden stop to read a sign all the more reason for keeping it simple aka, in the engineering field KISS.
> I am off my soapbox.....oops, one more issue when the event is done, please if you had time to put the sign up....you have the time to take the bad boy down.  UGH!
> Bernadette

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Re: [LincolnTalk] THE sign.

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About "folks put WAYYYYYY tooo much information on these signs":
Reminds me of MassDOT, where the marketing department seems to be in
charge of coming up with text for variable message signs.  Fortunately
the three pages of messages nobody can read safely don't provide any
important information, so nothing is lost except the occasional life
when a driver pays too much attention.

Please, people, think about the person reading the sign.  What kind of
person will notice your sign?  Will that person be able to make sense
of it without knowing everything you know?  What will the reader do
differently after reading it?   Very often even for simple signs
(speed limit, share the road, support the troops) the answer is
nothing.

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> Personally, I get most of my information regarding events in town from the
> signs posted around town.  With that said, I am an artist (and to support
> myself out of college worked for many years in Civil Engineering as a
> drafter/CAD Tech which taught me a thing or two about being practical).
> As an artist the majority of the signs that are put up around town folks
> put WAYYYYYY tooo much information on these signs.  They should be kept
> simple with only the important information on it; enough to grab an
> individual's interest to look into the event/cause!
> From my experience with dealing with civil engineers...."Safety First" when
> it came to designing rides, etc.  There should be thought or guidelines on
> where these signs are placed at intersections so that they are not blocking
> site distance, on coming traffic, etc.  Hence, the other safety issue...as
> Claire mentioned is when a driver does a sudden stop to read a sign all the
> more reason for keeping it simple aka, in the engineering field KISS.
> I am off my soapbox.....oops, one more issue when the event is done, please
> if you had time to put the sign up....you have the time to take the bad boy
> down.  UGH!
> Bernadette
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Re: [LincolnTalk] THE sign.

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There are more that 3 “allowed” locations.
Please note my post.
There is a policy.

And, yes, signs were to announce events, and events alone.

Bemis Lectures has always struggled with just how much text to place on sandwich board.
WE have come to realize that the name of the sponsoring org, the event title/speaker name, date, time and location are about all that is readable.
More text and illustrations/photos would go on flyers that were posted through town, and on our postcard mailings and other forms of outreach.



> On Jun 30, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Allen Vander Meulen III <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> You’re absolutely right, Bernadette!
>
> In all three “allowed” locations for signs here in town, there is little opportunity for cars to stop and read them - and drivers are generally fairly far away from the signs as they pass by anyway.  So: extreme brevity, very large lettering or graphics announcing the event (or whatever), and an easy-to-determine/find/remember way of learning more about it, are requirements if such signs are to be as effective as possible.
>
> As for the missing “Voice of the Unheard” sign, I thought it was a great sign with an important message - and hope it is found and returned.
>
> - Allen Vander Meulen
>
>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 13:59, Bernadette and Mark <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I get most of my information regarding events in town from the signs posted around town.  With that said, I am an artist (and to support myself out of college worked for many years in Civil Engineering as a drafter/CAD Tech which taught me a thing or two about being practical).  
>> As an artist the majority of the signs that are put up around town folks put WAYYYYYY tooo much information on these signs.  They should be kept simple with only the important information on it; enough to grab an individual's interest to look into the event/cause!
>> From my experience with dealing with civil engineers...."Safety First" when it came to designing rides, etc.  There should be thought or guidelines on where these signs are placed at intersections so that they are not blocking site distance, on coming traffic, etc.  Hence, the other safety issue...as Claire mentioned is when a driver does a sudden stop to read a sign all the more reason for keeping it simple aka, in the engineering field KISS.
>> I am off my soapbox.....oops, one more issue when the event is done, please if you had time to put the sign up....you have the time to take the bad boy down.  UGH!
>> Bernadette
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Re: [LincolnTalk] THE sign.

Bernadette and Mark
FYI,

The Highway department (traffic engineers) usually decides what messages are on VMS.  In case of construction or redesigns of road, etc the Civil Engineer/Traffic Engineer Consultant would have designed the messages.

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 2:55 PM Sara Mattes <[hidden email]> wrote:
There are more that 3 “allowed” locations.
Please note my post.
There is a policy.

And, yes, signs were to announce events, and events alone.

Bemis Lectures has always struggled with just how much text to place on sandwich board.
WE have come to realize that the name of the sponsoring org, the event title/speaker name, date, time and location are about all that is readable.
More text and illustrations/photos would go on flyers that were posted through town, and on our postcard mailings and other forms of outreach.



> On Jun 30, 2020, at 2:20 PM, Allen Vander Meulen III <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> You’re absolutely right, Bernadette!
>
> In all three “allowed” locations for signs here in town, there is little opportunity for cars to stop and read them - and drivers are generally fairly far away from the signs as they pass by anyway.  So: extreme brevity, very large lettering or graphics announcing the event (or whatever), and an easy-to-determine/find/remember way of learning more about it, are requirements if such signs are to be as effective as possible.
>
> As for the missing “Voice of the Unheard” sign, I thought it was a great sign with an important message - and hope it is found and returned.
>
> - Allen Vander Meulen
>
>> On Jun 30, 2020, at 13:59, Bernadette and Mark <[hidden email]> wrote:
>>
>> Personally, I get most of my information regarding events in town from the signs posted around town.  With that said, I am an artist (and to support myself out of college worked for many years in Civil Engineering as a drafter/CAD Tech which taught me a thing or two about being practical). 
>> As an artist the majority of the signs that are put up around town folks put WAYYYYYY tooo much information on these signs.  They should be kept simple with only the important information on it; enough to grab an individual's interest to look into the event/cause!
>> From my experience with dealing with civil engineers...."Safety First" when it came to designing rides, etc.  There should be thought or guidelines on where these signs are placed at intersections so that they are not blocking site distance, on coming traffic, etc.  Hence, the other safety issue...as Claire mentioned is when a driver does a sudden stop to read a sign all the more reason for keeping it simple aka, in the engineering field KISS.
>> I am off my soapbox.....oops, one more issue when the event is done, please if you had time to put the sign up....you have the time to take the bad boy down.  UGH!
>> Bernadette
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